I see that idea’s or diffused from reality. Some of you give their experiences. Others hatch into these experiences and others argument they need more votes and people to back up an other approach. Your just messing around. The people are divided by greed.

Since i was 3 years old i started to rebel against learning color pattern’s. (which indirectly leads to racism) The names they given different colors. (for example i like brown or i like honey because it’s yellow) I started to rebel against reading in quit. (disengaging an own opinion) Because that’s way to create an own fantasy world. But besides that a fantasy is something close to a hidden agenda. Everything you read gives you negative or positive feedback. But since you read quietly you keep idea’s about what you think a lot to yourself. These are some fundamentals i rebelled against.

Some teachers saw what was happening at this time and they interfered when i was a little boy. They started to be tyrannical against me. Which is awful behavior against a little child. Suggesting to the other kids they could pick on me and making public fun of what they called my flaws. Hypocritical because they couldn’t see their own pay-check greed inside there own eyes.

Therefor i spent a lot of years in suffering the horrors of a school system. Eventually i dropped to the lowest grade. Like many other kids do who are not obedient against a system they do not yet know or understand. (until today)

After high school i went to college. It took me several years to reinforce myself and to come back from some horrors i met in high school. (mental and physical damages. Try to live more then 15 years in a environment where everyday hunderds of people project hate upon you.)

I started to be excellent in studying but didn’t belong in a place where i had horrifying experiences. Excellent grades where the other side of the medallion for me. But i started to see the seriousness of what i had been through in high school and started to see that this college was doing the same in a more sneaky way of giving good interest this time. I been smashed over the ground and a lot of things where taken away from me before. And again it happened when they noticed i saw more of what was happening. I started to get a view not over my own path but also over the path of thousands of young children and young students. I almost took away my own life because there was haresment involved outside the school.

Teachers even suggest to the people of my dorm to harass and terrify me every day. Including breaking into my personal life and embarrassing experiences.

These days i recognize school systems or any other systems of keeping people in line just to keep them obedient to social order and capitalistic principles. If your don’t, everything is taken away from you. Even threats are hold against you or members of your family. Besides that thousands of other institutions try to make your life a living hell. You cant sleep, eat or even live without feeling a threat that can be caused against you. So far that you almost feel like you need to kill yourself. The reason why a lot of students kill themselves.

I learned to educate myself. I learned decent English and i learned different psychological mechanism’s that this world has enclosed in itself. It’s a horror to every kid, a death or a putting to sleep of what they really are and what they really think. Creating people with more then one face, but the one that’s screaming all the time is the one left behind without a voice to speak, creating all kinds of illnesses witch are good for thousands of jobs to create to.

And as the person who wrote this suggested. We create jobs out of misery and keep working till we drop and paradoxically. We react lazy to this type of shit and therefore we need to keep working harder en harder each day. Because where creating a loop that will cost us in labor and not life years.

Now keep on discussing bullshit… I already told the bullies to sit and to listen to what i have learned through 20 years of misery. This time I’m indulging myself to be an open book about the flaws of books and school which earn ton’s of money expressing idea’s from idiots who do not care about your pain, neither mine. But relax neither do i myself.

Greets.

I was a person who did very well in school. 99% percentile. Went to college and got an computer science degree.. High IQ, (blah, blah. ) So I’m a “success” per se by many society standards.

School taught me basic skills, but rarely gave me context on when to use them, how to or why I really should care. It was a rare class that taught me to think for myself.

School:
- Didn’t teach me how to live.
- Often taught me principles that are contrary to the real world.
- In engineering school, I was supposed to do my assignments alone. This is exactly the opposite of what you try to do in the real world. you don’t try to reinvent the wheel unless you need to.
– You take a course, fail it. You take it again, and they average the grade. point is you learned it. There was a reason that MIT was pass/no credit during some of it’s time. The issue is whether you learned it or not and how well you learned it, not whether you failed the first time.

- Didn’t deal or address social issues of interpersonal relationships, which are essential for being successful
- Didn’t deal with emotional intelligence and understanding that we are making judgements and decisions about life that have lasting consequences
- Didn’t teach about choice and consequences in a supportive way.
- Teach little to nothing about money and how to really make it. Hint – a job (pay for time) is not the final goal here.
- Didn’t provide tools to deal with the job market
- Didn’t teach about life and how it changes over time as you age.

The point being, that school should prepare us for the “real world” very well. It should prepare us in a way that doesn’t overly coddle us. It should teach us that you can fail and just get right back up and try again. It should teach about consequences, but provide a safety net in the early stages as it helps to build confidence and teach people how to fail gracefully. It should provide a place for children to explore and provide guidance on how to discover their strengths.

Certainly some basic math and language skills are important, but the manner in which they are taught only work for a small part of the population. No animal sits down as a desk while it’s mother teaches it something. We are using only our higher functions and disconnecting the experiences. Courses that had you try to accomplish a task and then tought you the tools to accomplish it as you go would teach

>>>The best way to learn is to actually try and perfrom tasks or accomplish goals and give people the tools to complete those.
You can create games or other artificial exercises to help in this endevour, but work on the actual task. Expose patterns and practices that have worked for others in the past, then step back and give kids room. Provide guidance on the way to the goal. Deal with interpersonal issues and emotional issues as they come up. Expose what works in life and teach how to own your own life.

For example,
– if you want to teach about math and when you would use it – How would you hold up a person with playing cards? What do you need to know to accomplish task? How do you figure it out?
– If you want to teach history, bring up current events where a negative or positive thing has occurred. Looks back in history for other patterns.
– If you want to teach finances, play monopoly or other games that similute the stock market. Bring in Cash Flow from Rich Dad Poor Dad.

Some will take to these games and some will not. The key to find exercises that work for these different types.

If school was even 1/10th of this, it would go a lot further towards giving people the skills they really need in life and moving society and the world forward towards some of the more utopian visions many of us think should exist, but which seem impractical given the state of the world.

As schools were created and public education was founded, learning started to be considered as children’s work. The methods used before for obedience, were now used for teaching. The schooling system makes a distinction between play, which is deemed hurtful, and learning, which is considered the child’s main occupation.

The same holds true for today. Children’s time is seperated between “learning-time” and “play-time”. Play can come only if the child has finished his homework and learning for the day. Additionaly, school characterizes children. Their grades show if they are “bad” or “good” children. Instead of being beaten they are medicated with ritalin. And all this teaches the children that learning is not play, nor it is something pleasant, but it is a work that must be done. No wonder then, why you’ll see many people have a negative attitude towards learning and books in their adult lives. Peter Gray concludes (and I agree with him) that scientists become scientists, not because of education, but in spite of it. Like Mark Twain had said: “I have never let my schooling interfere with my education.”
schhool sucks from marie norway

However, the problems I tried to discuss about in this article, are not solely educational, but political and social, as well. We must think what the education tries to achieve. Casting aside really basic stuff, what has the school offered you outside of the current socio-economical system that tries to survive its existence, pretty much like a biological organism? And furthermore, is the current way of learning optimal?

I too agree that I learned a few things from school, but, honestely, I think that most of the time there was wasted. Now, that I am in the university, I feel that I can spend my time more productively, since the free time I now have can help me learn things that in school I couldn’t, not because of ability, but because of time-constraint and exhaustion.

If you remember absolutely nothing from school, as you said, how can you write this blog? Or do basic math, like when you go shopping? (OK, you can relay on a calculator for the math thin.)

What I mean is that not remembering the classes does not mean that you didn’t learn.

I know it may sound pedant, but since you said you are still to find someone how remembers what they learned in school, I can’t say you found him. I do remember a lot of stuff I learned in school. I remember how to read and write (better in my mother language than in English), I remember how to do basic math, and calculus, how to create, read and interpret a graph; a lot of stuff of history and geography (you can ask for concrete examples if you think it is just an impression of remembering history and geography). As for college, I remember even better, I learned electronics, advanced math, programming and I grant you that I still do remember most of these things.

Maybe what is being proposed works for people from humanities, but I strongly disagree that it would work for people from sciences and engineering.

If you want to contact me about this, just send me an e-mail

Is there a way I could connect with students, or recent students, using this website to get this feedback?

Great post. I too dream of a day when the education system is reformed into a practical one and fun one that really encourages learning.

There are just so many things with school that are fundamentally horribly wrong.

One example, classes are often spread over a full semester or year, with classes two or more times a week, and with that class lasting hours. And with almost no teaching going on. For example, I attend a Spanish class for about 2.5 hours twice week in college. Almost nothing is taught. The majority of the time is just filled with stupid cultural stuff and boring and inefficient Spanish language games that don’t really help much. Then we are told to go home, read from a ridiculously un-intuitively-written $150 dollar text book (i.e. teach ourselves), and do some boring homework. Not only is this not specialized to the student, what I always end up doing is getting the information from studyspanish.com and spending five or ten minutes mastering whatever we were supposed to study. So why can’t we just do all our learning in class? Maybe a couple 1-hour classes a week spread over a couple months with no homework? That would do the trick!

It is also stupid that people are supposed to do like 4 different subjects in one semester. Because what happens is that your mind gets divided focuses. If there would be only one or two classes that are taught in an efficient way, in like a one or two month period, that would be much better.

Another example is a typography class I was looking at. Spending three hours twice a week for five months is one way of learning typography. Spending two days reading about it in some “For Dummies” book would accomplish the same goal. But alas, degrees are needed for jobs when resourcefulness and knowledge aren’t looked at.

And what’s the deal with textbooks? In High School I had all these textbooks that I never read. They took forever to explain something in a really sloppy way. I bought cliffs notes (which are very cheap compared to textbooks), and spend 5 pages in one of those for what’s covered in 25 textbook pages. IS THERE SOME LAW THAT SAYS SCHOOLS CAN’T USE CLIFFS NOTES AS COURSE MATERIAL?!

Of course, there are larger fundamental problems that, if solved, would render the above problems irrelevant. But you see the stupidity.

I HATE SCHOOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I LOVE LEARNING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHY CAN’T THERE BE A REVOLUTION OR REFORMATION TO ALIGN THE TWO?