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		<title>By: Ashleigh Almy</title>
		<link>http://encefalus.com/sociopolitical/school-sucks/comment-page-1/#comment-10959</link>
		<dc:creator>Ashleigh Almy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 18:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My Boyfriend just fucking just not being fun. i hugged him last night and he just pulls it all away. And i am so fucking Pissed off because of him i really don&#039;t like him now, i love him but he really don&#039;t like me or the fat people are that is around, that makes me super pissed off. if i were you don&#039;t hit them it is illeagle to hit people i got called on the police and i had 2 tickets and i had to go to Fucking court. which really made me super mad, i thought i was going to jail. and i thought that was retarded. like seriously. if i find him right by My friend Alyssa&#039;s i found him and i had pressure to love him so much. i wanted him to be my BF for months and i hate to be not to be loved</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My Boyfriend just fucking just not being fun. i hugged him last night and he just pulls it all away. And i am so fucking Pissed off because of him i really don&#8217;t like him now, i love him but he really don&#8217;t like me or the fat people are that is around, that makes me super pissed off. if i were you don&#8217;t hit them it is illeagle to hit people i got called on the police and i had 2 tickets and i had to go to Fucking court. which really made me super mad, i thought i was going to jail. and i thought that was retarded. like seriously. if i find him right by My friend Alyssa&#8217;s i found him and i had pressure to love him so much. i wanted him to be my BF for months and i hate to be not to be loved</p>
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		<title>By: 5* Diva</title>
		<link>http://encefalus.com/sociopolitical/school-sucks/comment-page-1/#comment-10874</link>
		<dc:creator>5* Diva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:07:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate skool? Becuz ppl got sumthang to say abt u? Skool can kiss my Azz? Becuz I have alot of hater on my bacc? So just get off my back beucz if u get in my face that it? Its on an poppin????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate skool? Becuz ppl got sumthang to say abt u? Skool can kiss my Azz? Becuz I have alot of hater on my bacc? So just get off my back beucz if u get in my face that it? Its on an poppin????</p>
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		<title>By: Diva Ova around the world</title>
		<link>http://encefalus.com/sociopolitical/school-sucks/comment-page-1/#comment-10873</link>
		<dc:creator>Diva Ova around the world</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 16:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate skool?</description>
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		<title>By: rock girl</title>
		<link>http://encefalus.com/sociopolitical/school-sucks/comment-page-1/#comment-9667</link>
		<dc:creator>rock girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 21:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanke you so mach , i hate scho0ol...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanke you so mach , i hate scho0ol&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ashley</title>
		<link>http://encefalus.com/sociopolitical/school-sucks/comment-page-1/#comment-7534</link>
		<dc:creator>ashley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 22:45:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OMG halerious i took a pic of it n put it as a wall paper love it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMG halerious i took a pic of it n put it as a wall paper love it!</p>
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		<title>By: Beatrice Ekoko</title>
		<link>http://encefalus.com/sociopolitical/school-sucks/comment-page-1/#comment-6863</link>
		<dc:creator>Beatrice Ekoko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 23:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>School sucks? Of course it does. There is a revolution going on already folks-it&#039;s called unschooling or open source learning. People everywhere are learning from the abundance that is already out there. No body can give you an education; you have to take one,&quot; says John Taylor Gatto who by the way says all that Gray says but in a much more eloquent and exciting way. Try reading his Dumbing us down for starters. There is also John Holt who said all this 40 years ago just as powerfully. Ivan Illich, and Paul Goodman are other guys who started the questioning of mass schooling and schooling and a schooled society. I am happy that mainstream media is finally catching up.
radiofreeschool.blogspot.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>School sucks? Of course it does. There is a revolution going on already folks-it&#8217;s called unschooling or open source learning. People everywhere are learning from the abundance that is already out there. No body can give you an education; you have to take one,&#8221; says John Taylor Gatto who by the way says all that Gray says but in a much more eloquent and exciting way. Try reading his Dumbing us down for starters. There is also John Holt who said all this 40 years ago just as powerfully. Ivan Illich, and Paul Goodman are other guys who started the questioning of mass schooling and schooling and a schooled society. I am happy that mainstream media is finally catching up.<br />
radiofreeschool.blogspot.com</p>
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		<title>By: Encefalus</title>
		<link>http://encefalus.com/sociopolitical/school-sucks/comment-page-1/#comment-679</link>
		<dc:creator>Encefalus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 19:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Jefferson, surely you got a strong argument there. I must agree with you on knowledge that could be described as overly &quot;concrete&quot; like math and geografy. Mathematics require a lot of practice and practice in a field is usually boring :-P. So, mathematics (as well as reading and writing), is something that maybe should be taught when you are younh, so that you just develop the skills you might need to use when you get older.

However, the problems I tried to discuss about in this article, are not solely educational, but political and social, as well. We must think what the education tries to achieve. Casting aside really basic stuff, what has the school offered you outside of the current socio-economical system that tries to survive its existence, pretty much like a biological organism? And furthermore, is the current way of learning optimal?

I too agree that I learned a few things from school, but, honestely, I think that most of the time there was wasted. Now, that I am in the university, I feel that I can spend my time more productively, since the free time I now have can help me learn things that in school I couldn&#039;t, not because of ability, but because of time-constraint and exhaustion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Jefferson, surely you got a strong argument there. I must agree with you on knowledge that could be described as overly &#8220;concrete&#8221; like math and geografy. Mathematics require a lot of practice and practice in a field is usually boring <img src='http://encefalus.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':-P' class='wp-smiley' /> . So, mathematics (as well as reading and writing), is something that maybe should be taught when you are younh, so that you just develop the skills you might need to use when you get older.</p>
<p>However, the problems I tried to discuss about in this article, are not solely educational, but political and social, as well. We must think what the education tries to achieve. Casting aside really basic stuff, what has the school offered you outside of the current socio-economical system that tries to survive its existence, pretty much like a biological organism? And furthermore, is the current way of learning optimal?</p>
<p>I too agree that I learned a few things from school, but, honestely, I think that most of the time there was wasted. Now, that I am in the university, I feel that I can spend my time more productively, since the free time I now have can help me learn things that in school I couldn&#8217;t, not because of ability, but because of time-constraint and exhaustion.</p>
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		<title>By: Jefferson</title>
		<link>http://encefalus.com/sociopolitical/school-sucks/comment-page-1/#comment-678</link>
		<dc:creator>Jefferson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 18:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m curious.

If you remember absolutely nothing from school, as you said, how can you write this blog? Or do basic math, like when you go shopping? (OK, you can relay on a calculator for the math thin.)

What I mean is that not remembering the classes does not mean that you didn&#039;t learn.

I know it may sound pedant, but since you said you are still to find someone how remembers what they learned in school, I can&#039;t say you found him. I do remember a lot of stuff I learned in school. I remember how to read and write (better in my mother language than in English), I remember how to do basic math, and calculus, how to create, read and interpret a graph; a lot of stuff of history and geography (you can ask for concrete examples if you think it is just an impression of remembering history and geography). As for college, I remember even better, I learned electronics, advanced math, programming and I grant you that I still do remember most of these things.

Maybe what is being proposed works for people from humanities, but I strongly disagree that it would work for people from sciences and engineering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m curious.</p>
<p>If you remember absolutely nothing from school, as you said, how can you write this blog? Or do basic math, like when you go shopping? (OK, you can relay on a calculator for the math thin.)</p>
<p>What I mean is that not remembering the classes does not mean that you didn&#8217;t learn.</p>
<p>I know it may sound pedant, but since you said you are still to find someone how remembers what they learned in school, I can&#8217;t say you found him. I do remember a lot of stuff I learned in school. I remember how to read and write (better in my mother language than in English), I remember how to do basic math, and calculus, how to create, read and interpret a graph; a lot of stuff of history and geography (you can ask for concrete examples if you think it is just an impression of remembering history and geography). As for college, I remember even better, I learned electronics, advanced math, programming and I grant you that I still do remember most of these things.</p>
<p>Maybe what is being proposed works for people from humanities, but I strongly disagree that it would work for people from sciences and engineering.</p>
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		<title>By: Encefalus</title>
		<link>http://encefalus.com/sociopolitical/school-sucks/comment-page-1/#comment-671</link>
		<dc:creator>Encefalus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 23:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leslie Tortuga, 

If you want to contact me about this, just send me an e-mail :-)</description>
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<p>If you want to contact me about this, just send me an e-mail <img src='http://encefalus.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Leslie Tortuga</title>
		<link>http://encefalus.com/sociopolitical/school-sucks/comment-page-1/#comment-657</link>
		<dc:creator>Leslie Tortuga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 03:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to pose some questions to flesh out exactly what works and doesn&#039;t work for different students.  I want students&#039; needs and ideas to play a prominent role in my decisions as a teacher.  I find that the more feedback I get, and can show to school officials, the more support I get to teach with a student-centered approach.

Is there a way I could connect with students, or recent students, using this website to get this feedback?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to pose some questions to flesh out exactly what works and doesn&#8217;t work for different students.  I want students&#8217; needs and ideas to play a prominent role in my decisions as a teacher.  I find that the more feedback I get, and can show to school officials, the more support I get to teach with a student-centered approach.</p>
<p>Is there a way I could connect with students, or recent students, using this website to get this feedback?</p>
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		<title>By: school goer</title>
		<link>http://encefalus.com/sociopolitical/school-sucks/comment-page-1/#comment-281</link>
		<dc:creator>school goer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 05:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SCHOOL SUCKS!

Great post. I too dream of a day when the education system is reformed into a practical one and fun one that really encourages learning.

There are just so many things with school that are fundamentally horribly wrong.

One example, classes are often spread over a full semester or year, with classes two or more times a week, and with that class lasting hours. And with almost no teaching going on. For example, I attend a Spanish class for about 2.5 hours twice week in college. Almost nothing is taught. The majority of the time is just filled with stupid cultural stuff and boring and inefficient Spanish language games that don&#039;t really help much. Then we are told to go home, read from a ridiculously un-intuitively-written $150 dollar text book (i.e. teach ourselves), and do some boring homework. Not only is this not specialized to the student, what I always end up doing is getting the information from studyspanish.com and spending five or ten minutes mastering whatever we were supposed to study. So why can&#039;t we just do all our learning in class? Maybe a couple 1-hour classes a week spread over a couple months with no homework? That would do the trick!

It is also stupid that people are supposed to do like 4 different subjects in one semester. Because what happens is that your mind gets divided focuses. If there would be only one or two classes that are taught in an efficient way, in like a one or two month period, that would be much better.

Another example is a typography class I was looking at. Spending three hours twice a week for five months is one way of learning typography. Spending two days reading about it in some &quot;For Dummies&quot; book would accomplish the same goal. But alas, degrees are needed for jobs when resourcefulness and knowledge aren&#039;t looked at.

And what&#039;s the deal with textbooks? In High School I had all these textbooks that I never read. They took forever to explain something in a really sloppy way. I bought cliffs notes (which are very cheap compared to textbooks), and spend 5 pages in one of those for what&#039;s covered in 25 textbook pages. IS THERE SOME LAW THAT SAYS SCHOOLS CAN&#039;T USE CLIFFS NOTES AS COURSE MATERIAL?!

Of course, there are larger fundamental problems that, if solved, would render the above problems irrelevant. But you see the stupidity.

I HATE SCHOOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I LOVE LEARNING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHY CAN&#039;T THERE BE A REVOLUTION OR REFORMATION TO ALIGN THE TWO?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SCHOOL SUCKS!</p>
<p>Great post. I too dream of a day when the education system is reformed into a practical one and fun one that really encourages learning.</p>
<p>There are just so many things with school that are fundamentally horribly wrong.</p>
<p>One example, classes are often spread over a full semester or year, with classes two or more times a week, and with that class lasting hours. And with almost no teaching going on. For example, I attend a Spanish class for about 2.5 hours twice week in college. Almost nothing is taught. The majority of the time is just filled with stupid cultural stuff and boring and inefficient Spanish language games that don&#8217;t really help much. Then we are told to go home, read from a ridiculously un-intuitively-written $150 dollar text book (i.e. teach ourselves), and do some boring homework. Not only is this not specialized to the student, what I always end up doing is getting the information from studyspanish.com and spending five or ten minutes mastering whatever we were supposed to study. So why can&#8217;t we just do all our learning in class? Maybe a couple 1-hour classes a week spread over a couple months with no homework? That would do the trick!</p>
<p>It is also stupid that people are supposed to do like 4 different subjects in one semester. Because what happens is that your mind gets divided focuses. If there would be only one or two classes that are taught in an efficient way, in like a one or two month period, that would be much better.</p>
<p>Another example is a typography class I was looking at. Spending three hours twice a week for five months is one way of learning typography. Spending two days reading about it in some &#8220;For Dummies&#8221; book would accomplish the same goal. But alas, degrees are needed for jobs when resourcefulness and knowledge aren&#8217;t looked at.</p>
<p>And what&#8217;s the deal with textbooks? In High School I had all these textbooks that I never read. They took forever to explain something in a really sloppy way. I bought cliffs notes (which are very cheap compared to textbooks), and spend 5 pages in one of those for what&#8217;s covered in 25 textbook pages. IS THERE SOME LAW THAT SAYS SCHOOLS CAN&#8217;T USE CLIFFS NOTES AS COURSE MATERIAL?!</p>
<p>Of course, there are larger fundamental problems that, if solved, would render the above problems irrelevant. But you see the stupidity.</p>
<p>I HATE SCHOOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
<p>I LOVE LEARNING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
<p>WHY CAN&#8217;T THERE BE A REVOLUTION OR REFORMATION TO ALIGN THE TWO?</p>
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		<title>By: Encefalus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Encefalus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 11:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Peter Gray&#039;s articles are fully analytical, and they include the subjects you just mentioned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Peter Gray&#8217;s articles are fully analytical, and they include the subjects you just mentioned.</p>
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		<title>By: Christina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does he also mention about how in the advent of the industrial revolution, laws ended up being made that disallowed child factory labor, and schools were created in order to keep children in a supervised locale during working hours?  also schools were geared towards creating complacent factory workers by teaching obedience to authority.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does he also mention about how in the advent of the industrial revolution, laws ended up being made that disallowed child factory labor, and schools were created in order to keep children in a supervised locale during working hours?  also schools were geared towards creating complacent factory workers by teaching obedience to authority.</p>
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